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Very hard to steer after installing redhead steering gearbox

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BACKGROUNG:


JOR 5” Lifted RWD 2000 Astro with 30” KO2 Tires. My steering was very loose and had major wander to the point I was always adjusting the steering wheel even on a straight line. I got new tires mainly because I definitely needed bigger tires with the lift, but I also thought maybe it might help with the loose ride. It helped somewhat, but didn’t fix anything. Took it to a mechanic and they said the steering gearbox is leaking from the top and that’s the reason why it’s wandering. After reading a lot I went with a REDHEAD steering gear unit, and they installed it.

After the install, they had to fill up with power steering and move the wheel 20ish times, but my van with the new tires does not turn all the way to the end because it rubs against the sway bar. (I don’t wanna mix topics but is that something we just have to live with? The sway bar is in pretty much stock position and I’m out of ideas how to fix the rubbing there) So because they couldn’t turn all the way due to the sway bar, I’m thinking maybe it affected the power steering fill up process?

Anyways, after the alignment the job was done and I got to drive it. Literally 20 feet from the shop the steering locks and I lose my power brakes. Hitting the throttle gives life again to the steering and brakes, but it was insanely dangerous when I was making a turn. Usually I brake and steer into a turn, but this time when I did that the power steering went out again, problem is people are crossing the road, and to regain the steering or brakes I had to give it gas, and that almost resulted in a close call with a pedestrian.

I bring it back to the shop and they say that’s normal and to give it a little gas and it’ll be okay, and the tech fills up a little more on the power steering. The second he said that I regretted the steering box repair, because I thought that now it’s a normal thing to give it gas to gain the ability to brake or steer. Which just sounded like an accident waiting to happen.


I took it for another test drive and there’s no issue of locking up, until 25 minutes later.
it suddenly locks after I steer to make a lane change and apply brakes at the same time (it was a red light). Brakes loss power steering and now I’m rolling towards a red light at 15mph. It was doable to stop at that speed without the power steering, so safely stopped. Then I’m thinking “what if I had to make an emergency stop and they go out again”. Lots of regret thoughts running through my head.

ISSUE:

I spent another 3 days driving around and the brakes / steering haven’t locked up a single time which is great news. But the driving absolutely sucks. Turning has become very hard, and braking has become somewhat harder as well. I used to be able to steer with a finger, even after the KO2 30” tires before this repair. But now it’s become considerably harder to turn, it just feels like my power steering isn’t working at 100%, it’s more like 75%. Which obviously it’s better than the no power steering issue I had the day of install. But still, steering just isn’t as smooth or powered as much as I would like it to be. It just feels like I’m not getting the full support of the power steering (again, feels like 75% lol)

Anyone have insight on this? Nothing is leaking, and with the new redhead unit there’s absolutely ZERO slop and wander. When I’m on the highway giving the van gas, the steering feels a little more responsive. I do hear air whooshing noises when the wheel is centered and I turn it a tiny bit (in park) . I don’t know if that’s normal or not.

is there a break in period for redhead steering boxes? What about KO2 tires? Currently set at 38PSI. I did Raise pressure, but it didn’t help much. Should I go beyond 40 in the front?
It just doesn’t feel like it’s the tires or the gearbox, it honestly just feels like it’s the power steering not being supplied enough to the steering. Are redhead gears more demanding with power steering fluid? I heard it can possibly be 1)lack of power steering fluid, but there is plenty inside 2) low power steering pressure 3) AIR in the power steering system. I did turn the wheel like 100 times in park today, but the issue still stands. I’m not getting bubbles or anything .
 
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I bring it back to the shop and they say that’s normal and to give it a little gas and it’ll be okay
NO IT'S NOT NORMAL.. IT'S DEFECTIVE (AND DANGEROUS)
Are you running all stock sized pulleys?

the tech fills up a little more on the power steering..
LOL.. this was just to make you "feel better" and make it look like they were doing something...

I had to give it gas, and that almost resulted in a close call with a pedestrian..
Brakes loss power steering and now I’m rolling towards a red light at 15mph.
EXTREMELY DANGEROUS!

You have a DEFECTIVE unit.
Call REDHEAD.. I'll bet they say replace it IMMEDIATELY and don't drive any further.

If I had to guess.. I'd say you have a "pressure valve issue".
Either sticking, or not working correctly.

It may be an issue with the PS as well.. or maybe you got debris in the system.
Was the pump changed too?

Same happened to me years ago.. valve would stick, pressure would drop.. my brake pedal would go to the floor. Highly dangerous until I replaced the PS pump.

Not sure why you felt the need to go to this type aftermarket unit, since the stock type units work more than adequate. I would demand a refund.
 
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NO IT'S NOT NORMAL.. IT'S DEFECTIVE (AND DANGEROUS)
Are you running all stock sized pulleys?


LOL.. this was just to make you "feel better" and make it look like they were doing something...


EXTREMELY DANGEROUS!

You have a DEFECTIVE unit.
Call REDHEAD.. I'll bet they say replace it IMMEDIATELY and don't drive any further.

If I had to guess.. I'd say you have a "pressure valve issue".
Either sticking, or not working correctly.

It may be an issue with the PS as well.. or maybe you got debris in the system.
Was the pump changed too?

Same happened to me years ago.. valve would stick, pressure would drop.. my brake pedal would go to the floor. Highly dangerous until I replaced the PS pump.

Not sure why you felt the need to go to this type aftermarket unit, since the stock type units work more than adequate. I would demand a refund.
The power steering pump wasn’t changed because they said nothing is leaking. I doubt they checked any interior issues or anything else in the system aside from the basic leaks. I don’t have this issue now driving for the past 3 days, I’m not sure if I should be concerned if it’ll come back again one day at a random time, but if it does I’m definitely getting it swapped to a different one. I’ll call redhead today anyway, maybe they have some insight on this. Although it hasn’t locked for 3 days, it’s just very stiff like the power steering pump isn’t working correctly. It sucks because the gearbox is nice and tight, but the minor of power steering is making us drive horrible
 
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When I bought my 1998 ( over six years ago now) it had loose steering. It wandered all over the road, so required full-time correction.
The PO had replaced nearly all of the steering components, except the gearbox.
I had a Les Schwab shop replace the steering box and they said they would only install a Red Head box. (Red Head is a local company here, near Seattle)
The new box was TIGHT! Way too tight!. It would not center unless I did it. The shop said it needed to 'wear in', so a full tank of fuel later, I returned and had the shop foreman drive it. I thought they might just try to 'adjust' it.
They agreed, and replaced the box under warranty, and did another alignment. I would assume Red Head paid them for the labor for that replacement. The warranty replacement unit has worked like it should.
The sad part was, they called me after the replacement was finished. They could not get the van to start, and asked about a couple of non-stock relays on the firewall, one of which had a 'clip lead' dangling from it. They assumed it was related, and wanted to know where the loose wire was supposed to go, 'to get the motor to start'. (it was a just temporary wire for an auxiliary battery charging relay).
After being told it could not possibly be related, they spent some of the rest of the afternoon with it dead in their shop. The next morning, I headed out with a set of manuals, to help. In the process of replacing the steering box some connector had apparently been dislodged, and they found the problem themselves, before I arrived.
They remembered 'that green van' when I showed up two years later, for tires and an alignment , after doing the lift.
Rod J
 
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What about KO2 tires? Currently set at 38PSI. I did Raise pressure, but it didn’t help much.
Should I go beyond 40 in the front?
Are they "LT" tires or "P" tires?
LT's typically have pressure ratings around 80psi
P Passenger tires range much lower... 35-50 max.

Check the "MAX tire pressure" on the side of tire
If it's a passenger tire.. I would fill to max pressure.
Passenger tires don't really belong on vans IMO.
If it's an LT tire.. I would fill about 75% max (depending on load).. I run mine at 60psi.
 
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I think they’re definitely LT all terrains, right now I have no load but in a few weeks I’ll be building the rear to hold 1500 pounds. if the load is higher in the rear, should I increase the pressure or decrease it? And should both the front and rear be matching pressure or that doesn’t matter? I didn’t know you can run them at such a high PSI wow! I’ll check the max load on the BFGs and do like 75% to see if it might help
 
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From the very first post, I was a bit skeptical of the shop. The shop stated; "the steering gearbox is leaking from the top and that’s the reason why it’s wandering". I cannot see a particular connection in that statement. A leak could cause issues, but I do not think it would be the cause of wandering. Maybe air in the system or erratic operation with respect to the braking issue or power steering boost, but I cannot see a small leak causing looseness and wandering.

I suspect the bigger tires could be causing the rubbing, but that is just guess. Having the steering box changed at essentially the same time as getting the bigger tires does complicate the diagnosis, and if the ratio is different, there is another variable to consider

Now it appears they want to 'adjust' the steering box. That is something that can be done, but it is a very fine adjustment between too tight ( which is hard to steer comfortably, and wears the gearbox prematurely); and too loose, which puts you back to square one with wandering steering. In my opinion, It is pretty much a 'trial and error' fine adjustment, to get it correct.
Are you in a large enough metro area, where there might be another shop that does major steering box/front end work?
It might be worth calling Red head directly , and ask for a reference to a shop in your area that installs those boxes. Yes, it might cost you a bit to have somebody else in the business do a test drive, and help you with Red Head, if they feel it is a steering box issue.

Rod J
Issaquah, WA